With all this heated discussion about LOVE and skateparks, I thought this would be a good time to show you how amazing skate parks and spots can be. I have had a few meetings with the companies founder, Kyle. He is a great guy who evolved their style of design a lot over the past few years. The work looks like a much improved vision similar to what we had drawn up for Philadelphia. Check out New Line Skateparks.
New Line makes bangin’ shit, like that park in Vancouver with the boulder gap. Aren’t they supposed to do the construction for Paine?
From what I know the construction is not set until the funds are raised. As well Philadelphia will require a certain amount of local union labor. However most of the good skatepark companies have worked out a system where they can partner with local unions.
and we can safely assume that franklins paine is keeping how much money they have raised a closely guarded secret, so lets say a generous estimate would be 2 million. 2 million every 8 years so only 20 more years to go
took the holocaust museum 13+ years to fundraise and build their museum in DC. that was for the holocaust. not stupid little wooden toys. to put things into perspective.
it would be a better idea to look how long it took to fund and build other skateparks in other cities, not to compare it to funding and building museums, since the two have nothing to do with eachother at all
Zeb, ok, every post that has to do with a skatepark you are going to put up some assumption that FPSF can’t raise the money. For the record they are assessing the cost of the park and changes to make it cheaper as we speak. Also for the record notice how New Line mostly has parks in Canada. Everything is different there. And it took years and a huge portfolio of experience for New Line to get in the door of the USA. It helped that Roby Dyrdek hooked them up through his whole MTV thing. Notice how Rob is not using the same firm he used for the DC Plaza in Ohio. Want to know why? Because American skatepark design companies are jaded and stuck in the past. It is a nightmare to get a plaza style park build in the USA. If you would stop posting crap about how horrible FPSF was we might make some progress. I am getting way tired of your bad attitude. Either do something or shut up already.
It should be added, Zeb, that Paine is not a skatepark. It’s a public space. Anyone know how long it took to build Eakins Oval? Probably longer than Paine.
this is what I chose to do about it brian so get used to it or do something about it
It took New Line Skateparks less than one year to build a skate spot/plaza in Los Angeles. http://skate.dcshoes.com/news/lafayette-safe-spot-skate-spot-open/ Just sayin.
I would love to know how much out of the budget was set aside to put that “skatepark coming soon” sign right off the the bike path. It Had to be drawn up and printed on some purchased materials. It probably was put together by a different city crew then the one that had to install it at the site. But at least this thousand dollar sign has been there for 3 long years to remind everyone that there is still hope of a park. with the new layout can we expect a new sign coming soon?
The first sign that I designed was donated by a printing company. After a while some one tore it down. They are putting up a new one soon, its already printed. Ry, why do you want to know this so bad? You can go online and figure out how much sign printing costs. I want to know how much of all of you are just going to point fingers and not do anything about it. Gonzo, that site may have taken a year to build, but it took many years to plan and to get through all the red tape of LA. Zeb, I’m speechless.
brian don’t get so defensive about answering questions, they are real concerns and should be addressed. maybe you aren’t cut out to answer them if you get upset in the process. and I’m sorry I can’t put the same time and energy into it as you. I’m sure you always had good intentions and you are trying, which maybe I failed to acknowledge but I am now. if there is ever a real discussion thats not in the comment section of haveboard I would love to be involved. I don’t want to post personal info but if you can get my email address from here you could write me directly or you can get my phone number from scott kip. I am willing to do what I can for this just don’t expect me to always say things you are going to agree with or want to hear. hopefully we can one day soon all get on the same page with this and get something good started
Zeb, answering these questions is something I can’t help but do, not cause I have time on my hands. No one else is answering that’s why I’m trying. I am not being defensive of answering questions. I do know a lot of the facts. I appreciate your ideas and stirring the pot. It would just be nice if this thread could have addressed design, as intended, not FPSF facts. Design is my passion, not politics. It’s just part of the process… which is something most skaters fail to appreciate or realize.
By the way I’m easy to find. http://www.sktnrd.com
i keep hearing, “Oh, we’re working on a website for the project” in everything concerning this skatepark. what the fuck does the website really have to do with the actual park? so i can go online and look at what what kids may be able to skate 10 or 15 years down the road? fuck all this window shopping bullshit. build a 40 x 40 ‘ smooth surface and cement 2 ledges to it and then go from there. it’ll be better than the flatground option at the wannamaker building or the clothespin. get the grant and ill go there with a shovel myself and do it.
the problem is people having a hand in something that they never did or stopped doing years ago; skateboarding. it doesnt take a some fucking labyrinth of transition, ledges, stairs, a full on picnic area with marble granite tables to skate when your mom and aunt are finished eating lunch, and whatever other little nooks and crannies these “designers” are planning. build something realistic that will honestly take a weekend of work and i guarantee kids’ll skate it. at least i will.
is it funny to anyone else that zeb didnt get the museum to park connection? fantastic.
its funny to me that you have to talk shit behind some fake hip hop nickname
Jesus fuckin christ if the tears aren’t flowing heavily on this thread as well. Crying is the new theme here on Haveboard lately. Buy yourselves a box of tissues you whiny, do-nothing babies.
and complaining about it while hiding behind a fake name makes you a spineless cry baby
A well maintained and regularly updated website will answer all of the questions including, how much will it cost, how much do we have, who are the sponsors and what does the design look like. Also the website will tell you about the progress with smaller parks like pops and roslyn. It may even keep you updated about the satellite parks planned including “just a bench” and “just a bank”. Websites are great! I can’t wait for FPSF to have one. Give a positive vibe a chance. Comment well on the pops progress and keep the momentum moving. We will soon have benches and banks in other parts of the city.
no offense, but planning is all that seems to get done. if you’ve got the space, which the sign says you’ve got, then build something. how about forgetting about the website, and using that time and money to just build something. i’ll give a positive vibe when the city quits treating us like step children. but foreal foreal im over this website and all of this “planning and discussing” because thats all it is and probably all it ever will be. pops park looks sick, too bad its in kensington and everyone who lives in the center city or close to it are still spotless. ok? but im gonna go skate clothespin and dodge pedestrians for a couple hours. maybe i’ll see you all out in the streets, if not(probably not) at least that means you are working on website so i can come home after being kicked out of everywhere and dream about this skateplaza my grand children will be able to skate if we make it through 12/12/12.
http://www.painesparkproject.org/main.php im glad so much effort was put into this site so that hundreds of people who appear to have never stepped on a skateboard in their lives can upload pictures to it. guess myspace wasn’t good enough for em? just some food for thought, hold down the fort. pce to allah and justice.
Thanks for your advice specs. I don’t know who is making the website. I think it’s someone who only makes websites, not fund raising. Not sure if that helps you any. I think the people in charge of fund raising made the decision to get the information out in one place that can easily be updated. That’s how they can lure funding and gain support. Saying “dont build a website” is like saying “don’t ask for money.” You are right, Myspace is not good enough. I think they’ve got one already. I would not know. I don’t bother with myspace unless its music.
http://www.painesparkproject.org/main.php im glad so much effort was put into this site so that hundreds of people who appear to have never stepped on a skateboard in their lives can upload pictures to it. guess myspace wasn’t good enough for em? just some food for thought, hold down the fort. pce to allah and justice.
http://www.painesparkproject.org/main.php im glad so much effort was put into this site so that hundreds of people who appear to have never stepped on a skateboard in their lives can upload pictures to it. guess myspace wasn’t good enough for em? just some food for thought, hold down the fort. pce to allah and justice.
specs, its just not that easy. what your talkin about are quick DIY parks that go up in a short period of time and have very little oversight. You have probably never been on a jobsite where the water table, drainage and a whole slew of different issues need to be calculated before you can even start to estimate cost, projected completion and so on. look at love for example. all of the levels are completely flat and run on parallel plains with all other levels and ledges. do you understand how difficult that is? and that is just one aspect of many. It takes time and planning to make a job of that scale happen correctly. I agree window shopping sucks but do you think for a second the city would let anyone build something like pops on prime real estate in downtown philly? No chance. People who live in center city are spotless? FORREAL, if you cant find something to skate downtown at night then you must only skate vert.
and by the way i drive 45 min from the burbs to build pops 3 days a week. i think u can take a 15 min bus ride to pops when its done. Kleenex is right, and if it bothers you enough to post on it maybe you could try and help the situation. If you want to have a valid opinion about a topic you must inform yourself first. as soon as you get permission to build the spot your talkin about, let me know. I will be 100% down to help you.
Blue Line from City Hall to Huntington stop is a 11min ride and cost 2 bucks. Pops is located on the corner of Huntington and Trenton Ave. Come on by.
“if you cant find something to skate downtown at night then you must only skate vert.” Hell, I skate primarily transitions, and I can still find shit to skate anywhere in the cit-tay. Here’s a hint: if you keep moving, nobody can kick you out. Keep fighting the good fight. And Jesse, let me know when the next build session is. jorge `att` eatmycube `dott` com.
Jesse! Carry the torch for the next generation. You’re doing it right.
Keep up the good work nugget. I believe in what you guys are doing and believe it will happen sometime soon!